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Interview with Zbigniew Seifert
This interview is taken from side four of a live recording on PolJazz
(PSJ-101 & PSJ-102) by Seifert titled Kilimanjaro.
This interview was taken by Antoni Krupa, translated by Michal
Markiewicz and corrected by Grzegorz Tusiewicz.
PART ONE
Zbigniew Seifert: Recently I worked less than 3-4 years ago. Simply, I
focused on working on two records. One of them I recorded in the U.S.
for CAPITOL and right after the second one for MPS in Germany. I needed
a lot of concentration while preparing this material, discussing it with
producers, etc. Right now, I played pretty similar repertoire to one I
recorded but there was some problem. Namely, it is hard to reproduce
this repertoire with different musicians you made records with. I want
to say that these people are not worse but less experienced. Also it was
hard to play it live because I felt it was not so entertaining comparing
to recordings in studio. These were minor problems but made me stop
playing so often.
Interviewer (Antoni Krupa): From what you said, I understand you got
your own band because all these recordings were made with musicians you
had chosen exclusively for it?
ZS: Unfortunately it happened that way. I tried to go on tour in fall
with guys I made
record for MPS: Billy Hart (percussion), Cecil McBee
(bass), and Joachim Kuehn (piano). We had to call it off for many
reasons. We did not manage to play on Jazz Jamboree in Warsaw and on Zaduszki in Cracow. We did not make it but I believe that it is possible
to organize at least one tour per year in Europe with such musicians I
talked about. I’m aware that it can’t be a regular band because for
instance these musicians played with stars like Stan Getz, etc. They are
pretty busy considering that music is the only thing they do for living.
Apart from that, I have one 'changeable' group that works for almost
three years and it is called Various Spheres.
INT: What does it mean?
ZS: It means crazy spheres or something. We invented the name ourselves.
INT: You working with these people? Who is playing in that band?
ZS: There was Janusz Stefański, Hans Hartmann -Swiss bassist and Belgian
pianist Michel Heer. In the second 'lineup' there was Adelhard Reudinger
(bass), Lala Kovacev- percussionist from Max Greger`s Orchestra and also
a great friend of mine. Right now, we are not playing at all therefore I
cant say who is going to play next time.
INT: Is it changing?
ZS: Yes, each time it is different playing with different people and
maybe it sounds ridiculous but each time I select musicians to the music
I want to play.
PART TWO
INT: As far as I remember you were (even when in Cracow) fascinated by
the music of John Coltrane. While reading reviews of your records and
concerts I noticed that there is one major idea that you transposed
Coltrane`s manner of playing and phrasing from his sax onto your violin.
Can you say something about it?
ZS: It is true, I did it consciously. While playing violin I tried to
have an impression of playing different instrument, I tried to get
different sound from typical violin sound.
INT: With obtaining the major ideas of Coltrane`s playing?
ZS: Yes, phrasing and articulation. And first of all- the way of
thinking. As a matter of fact it is the most important.
INT: While graduating the Academy of Music in Cracow, many professors
considered you as a promising violinist. I remember also your
hesitations of changing the instrument. That time you quit violin
sacrificing your work for playing alt sax. This was your start in jazz
and also fascination of sax. Right now back to violin?
ZS: At this moment you exposed me, because my beloved professor
Tawroszewicz will hardly believe it while listening to it.
INT: You let him down?
ZS: Sort of
INT: But now you’re playing violin again and that is going to make him
happy.
ZS: I believe he is not very anxious about it. I saw him just yesterday.
It was casual meeting. As for violin, it was sudden decision. Many years
ago when we were playing for he first time abroad with Stanko`s quintet,
I started to dream about my sax. But when I bought it (it was Selmer,
golden one) for lower price, from this moment I started to play sax less
and less. It was some kind of a rule, you know, a crucial point.
INT: do you play sax yet?
ZS: I played less and less because no matter what kind of band I played
in more interesting for me was to play violin. Simply, it was something
different more original and rare. Also I had to overcome many unknown
problems while playing jazz on violin. Therefore I did not have time to
practice sax and in course of time I played it less ad less, and right
about now I’m playing violin only. But sax is my honorary instrument.
PART THREE
INT: It is very fashionable to play music popularly called jazz-rock or
something between light music and jazz. What do you think about it?
ZS: It is subjective but my opinion about that music is rather negative.
As a mater of fact, I became a bit disaffected after and during
recording for CAPITOL.
INT: Is this record in such a mood, such a style?
ZS: Sort of, but not so much because my playing has nothing to do with
standard phrasing and style of this music. One way or another, in my
opinion it is some kind of trend that was started by couple of superb
musicians like Herbie Hancock, Chic Corea, etc. And these musicians as
usually are doing it great.
INT: Do you think they’re doing it whole-heartedly or it is a whim?
ZS: Absolutely whole-heartedly. That is why they are great. They are
doing it whole-heartedly and with absolute, unequalled perfection.
Therefore they can let themselves play this way. There is also the other
point- commercial aspect. It is pretty visible when you go to the U.S.
and have something to say or record something or meet people to talk it
over, from the very beginning there is a question: "What do you play?.
Because we need something new but when you propose to play something
new, something original it turns out that it’s ok but you have to add
another two guitars, synthesizer and strings for coloring the sound.
Even Don Cherry had these kind of problems when I met him in studio in
N.Y. I was completely upset during the recording because producers were
fixing incidental music to my improvisation (of course all on the
separate tracks). They were doing things about which I had no idea. I
sat there sadder and sadder. I was only looking and listening to it. And
later on, I met Don who said that he had the same problem and that the
most important thing is to reach as many people as possible regardless
some stylistic concessions. He tried to comfort me and I think himself
as well.
INT: Yes, it looked that way. So right now the most creative people ,
the most creative environment comes from Europe. I mean, as far as some
new searches and projects are concerned. Do you agree?
ZS: Yes, however a lot of music played in Europe is non-jazz. There is a
lot of jazz-related music, that is improvised but without fundamental
jazz feeling.
PART FOUR
INT: What do you think about records you made so far and which one
satisfies you most?
ZS: It is the record made in Europe in Germany for MPS. It is simply the
record on which I placed all my musical dreams and desires from recent
time. I’m absolutely proud of this record.
INT: It is titled...
ZS: Man of the light
INT: Who is playing on it with you?
ZS: Billy Hart (percussion), Cecil McBee (bass), Joachim Kuehn (acoustic
piano) Jasper van Hoef (Yamaha keyboard)
INT: Jasper Van Hoef is well-known for Polish audience because couple of
times he played here. And even recently he was in Cracow with his band
Toto Blanke Electrics. Unforgettable impressions from this concert that
was played in 'Pod Jaszczurami' club. So , thank you for coming , thank
you for this interview and I want to wish you not to have more problems
with completing musicians to play along with. And I wish you to release
as many records as possible. Also we would like to see you and your band
playing concerts in Poland. I think it is possible...
ZS: As soon as there some good tournee with good musicians is coming,
I’ll definitely come to Poland.
INT: Thank you.
by © Antoni Krupa
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